Something New for Tension

Also. We're not being forced to do this, though I have my own problems with those who DO want to use it and how it could affect me.

I also believe some of us are over exaggerating the affects of this and (apparently) we're not getting shafted if we oppose this idea. At least that's what I was told.

We've only had 1 champion since the birth of Tension Pro so we cant really say this is gonna cripple us. But I dont need the duos so I'll prolly opt out. This thread is pointless now as we're kinda just talking about how offended we are.

I don't feel anyone is being mean to me for opposing the idea. But i feel like my opinions are being dismissed and replaced with a joke. That's nothing new. *shrugs*

/I/ didn't read everything here and I kind of jumped the gun. I think alot of us here are also paranoid we're being MADE to do this against our will and it will remove things we want to do.

At the end of the day we're just wasting time here, nothing changes and if it does, will any of you who don't like it really abide by these rules? We're just gonna go about our business like nothing and not even care. We're gonna keep writing the stories we were doing before like nothing happened. I'm up to my neck in Tension shit that I need to make more chars cuz I feel like my char is having Wolverine syndrome. (Appearances in everyone's book) And at the end of the day, he'll stunner every cock, vag and sweet transvestite in the arena. YOUR CHARS CAN TOO!

Give into apathy everyone and just stop caring. I feel ashamed i spent more time wasting my time having my ideas dismissed and joked about than actual posting. Tension wont change anyway, roster is too small. If you want stories we have to make them on our own. It's been that way since 09. Nothing's changed. Friction's the same way. Nothing's changed.

Apathy people, apathy.

I don't think we, who had spent a long time trying to hammer out the ideas have been dismissive. We sort of expected to have to try and explain it multiple times.

Everything we were hoping wouldn't happen in the discussion basically happened and while we were trying to explain things, the "loudest" feedback sounded like "OMG TENSION RUINED FOREVER WITH THIS IDEA!!!" or "It's pointless, why even bother."

it's frustrating because a) usually people are very receptive to ideas and even if there is criticism to an idea it's never this fatalistic. And b) a lot of the people arguing against it seemed to be taking a minor point of the idea and using that as the focus of their dislike of the idea.

The frustrationn comes, not at the people who disagree, but for us who posted because it feels like we failed in communicating the idea we had. I checked and double checked my OP before I even posted it and still ended up the way we feared it might.

Right so we should stop caring, let this happen and watch it live or die. Or ignore it.

Also never follow Lobo, kids. He dumb.

We're thankful for the feedback, even if it doesn't seem that way.

My original thought stands: This is a great idea on paper, let's try it.

We've nothing to loose.

My biggest worry was that I'd come off as a nit picker, that's why I tried to make it clear that my one small problem was that, a small concern. It may not even come up.

But you know what, I'm going to go one step further. If this goes through, I'm going to use this duo system to create a really crazy and dramatic story with the Champ when the title thread is over. (However, I would have to either be seriously persuaded, or directly asked to by the staff with whom I will comply, to allow John's partner to defend the title by proxy.)

Anyway, let's try it. I'm going to take this and use it as a story tool. We can address worries about the title when and if they come about.

Ok, so in an attempt to ensure that criticism are not in fact being dismissed as well as give everyone visibility to the fact that critique's are actually having an effect, I've decided to write a list of the major sticking points and important notes that I have learnt from comments over the period of this discussion:

1. people care about linear progression of the title (ie. the challenger and eventual winner of the title should be able to beat the ACTUAL champion), which is something that has honestly not occurred to me at all (probably because it's something not personally important to me, but it is to others). Even if we were not to do the duo idea, this will come in important when faced with future title matches and swaps. If people tell us that they happier not getting a shot if it is not against the actual champion, then we now won't give them the shot

2. We can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink.. So we could create all of this and still have people who do little towards storyline progression (hence the suggestion that this is added complication without the gain of everyone jumping on the storyline wagon)... I've seen it happen before so fully understand how it could be a big possibility. If we were to go ahead with duos and this issue does become an eventuality, then the system might be more for people who already actively make use of storylines rather than those who don't and perhaps we should look at and adjust the long term goals of this

3. championship MvM matches currently isn't a big issue. I kinda knew this already, but I noticed Tai mentioned it so I guess it might look like I *do* see it as an issue.. We have indeed been able to cope just fine without any system and not ended up with TOO many incidences of MvM that one of the members didn't want (although match arrangement can be a struggle for the mods in tournaments)

I think as a follow on from this point, it might be a reasonable to suggest that if you DO opt out of the duo system, and your male characters does win a belt or get put into a tournament... You are in effect saying that you are happy to defend or have tournament matches as MvM. What is thought about that?


4. It was suggested by Lobo that if a duo steps in for a title match (for instance at the end of a tournament that the other half has been fighting) and wins the title, then the two duos who have won the title should have to fight it out right away. I think this is a great idea... It was also suggested that this be made a rule to ensure that the duos do fight it out, I'm willing to consider this but I do fear about throwing too many rules into it and making people feel forced (if the duos don't want to fight it out afterwards, then they probably shouldn't).


Is there any other major points people want to add to the big list or things that have been missed?

[quote="Tatyina":1v0ftsz6]Everything we were hoping wouldn't happen in the discussion basically happened and while we were trying to explain things, the "loudest" feedback sounded like "OMG TENSION RUINED FOREVER WITH THIS IDEA!!!" or "It's pointless, why even bother."

it's frustrating because a) usually people are very receptive to ideas and even if there is criticism to an idea it's never this fatalistic. And b) a lot of the people arguing against it seemed to be taking a minor point of the idea and using that as the focus of their dislike of the idea.