Re: AFW Writing unison

by Bluemouse Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:16 pm

My recent match (Cassie vs Dark Angel) was decided before hand, and it was my favorite non-Akashi vs Taylor match in a long long time. Because it was decided, we were free to hit the spots without having to worry about "if I sell this, they might not let me up and I don't wanna lose this fast".

Usually, how it works in my experience is when it gets to the end of the match and it looks like you're going to win, the other person's counters start getting goofier and goofier until you ask "so should I just lose this one?"

Point being, the Cassmatch was pretty boss.

by **Old_Man_Tai** Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:36 pm

[quote="Tatyina":2qpw10y9]The directory isn't necessarily exclusively for the Main Title. It's more of a way to show who, of the hundreds of characters, are the ones that will be available for use in main sotrylines and those who want to be pushed for belts. Or at least have consideration for belts.

That way the rest of the roster can be more considered to be for one-offs or preliminary matches for newbies who are looking to get into the site. That doesn't mean that no newbie can never have a match or rp with any of those girls, but it sort of gives a list of the more active wrestlers without necessarily putting them in any kind of upper mid or lowcard spot

I don't know if this is the BEST way to put it... but the new directory could be considered something like a combination of mid-high carders. And everyone else would be considered a lowcard. Because they aren't used or the member is inactive or what have you.

it's just a way to clarify.

Very interested in seeing how this would play out. Would the mods be basically going through the rosters and picking out who to add to the list, or having people send in who, of their people, they think should be on said list, or will it be based off of things like characters that are consistently used in matches as opposed to ones that only appear every so often?

Seems like a good idea to me.

by Tatyina Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:40 pm

Also, if there is an issue and the two players can't decide for themselves about who is going to win and who is going to lose, then they can simply be removed and/or replaced BEFORE the match.

I personally have had enough of dealing with it after the match is underway.

EDIT: the members would submit the characters themselves and it wouldn't necessarily be a single character. And characters could be added/removed as the member saw fit.

(At least that's the tentative thought on it)

by **Old_Man_Tai** Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:39 pm

Sounds good then. Thanks for explaining

[quote="Bluemouse":3kuhcts2]My recent match (Cassie vs Dark Angel) was decided before hand, and it was my favorite non-Akashi vs Taylor match in a long long time. Because it was decided, we were free to hit the spots without having to worry about "if I sell this, they might not let me up and I don't wanna lose this fast".

This^ This for the win.

by Harrier Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:06 pm

If fights like that float your boat, more power to you^^

Sadly that holds little appeal to me and would basically eliminate people like me from any title matches in which I feel that the characters involved are of more or less equal chance of winning. And I am not pressuring my opponents in any direction and pay dues.

So take this as a serious question and not a trolling attempt please:
What about people like me then?

by Tatyina Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:02 pm

I'll answer your question with another question.

What do you do when you come across someone who WANTS to have a pre determined outcome? do you just avoid THEM?

by kiranar Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:15 pm

I wouldn't avoid them because if the fighter is a very seasoned fighter in their perfered match type while I am less experienced of the two. I would talk it out with them to determine an ending that will make be enjoyable. While I don't get too many chances for that situation so I will just fade back out and let the seasoned people and perfered rookies have their fun.

by **Kelsea** Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:29 pm

I'd like to state first a foremost that predetermined matches aren't a new thing... When I first started AFW I *only* took part in predetermined matches and strongly advised people to determine the outcome of their matches as well. I still personally by far prefer to have predetermined matches then undetermined ones.

[quote="LunarWolf":a6xoa5vj]Still if it now is such a big problem with Titles and alike, how will deciding before the match solve it ? Unless it's randomly decided like with a RNG style or something. I don't know, I still like the changes and stuff, hope they work out! ^_^

The idea is that members are more likely to work together to agree upon an ending if they discuss it before a punch has even been thrown, once a match outcome has been agreed the whole RP is then focused on enjoyment and putting on a show rather then "the win" being in the back of the mind. If a match remains undecided at the beginning, the RP itself may suffer as a result of both writers trying to push for the win during the course of the match.

[quote="kiranar":a6xoa5vj]For important matches like first contender to belt matches have mods interveine if the match looks like it is getting out of call the match as they see fit.

by daemongirl Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:10 am

I think what harrier was saying is that for him knowing the outcome of a match before hand is like having a movie or a good book spoiled, it takes some of the fun out of it. Predetermined matches just aren't for everyone even if thats what some of you guys like, me personally I have never done a prearranged match but I wouldn't be against it.

by Tatyina Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:26 am

It's not as though we are saying that all matches from now on should be predetermined. Just title matches.

Also, predetermination of winner doesn't mean the whole match is outlined and done in advance either. Part of the fun of a predetermined match is making it so that the readers still THINK the match is predetermined. Also, it's not as if WE are deciding who wins and looses. That, also, is still up to the players unless there is a conflict.

I think that if you really can't have any fun if the match is predetermined, for just a SINGLE match, then maybe title shots aren't for you? I don't think it's a whole lot to ask for all things considered.

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