Topic: Wrestling?

The Hitman, along with HBK, Ric Flair, Sting and the Undertaker are Gatekeepers to the GOAT section of Hogan, SCSA and the Rock in my opinion. Although Flair is probably impossible to overcome without being an absolute legend by being the centerpiece of the 4 Horsemen and a vital part of Evolution, as is the pureness of the Hitman, the absolute Charisma of HBK and the pure presence of the Undertaker or Sting.

Cena has done or has not stood for anything comparable, absolutely nothing. Still he is on his way up in the second tier of great superstars and would probably be ranked in the middle when compared with Edge, Savage, Rude, Mr. Perfect, Triple H, Lesnar, Orton, Y2J, Booker T and several other superstars. I had a break from wrestling for some years and came back 08 to see Cena doing absolutely nothing for my personal entertainment while a guy like Jeff Hardy gave me the same babyface vibes before leaving wrestling.

And I am always amazed how people don't see that Ryback is basically Goldberg minus Presence, Skill and Intimidation. His squashes were painfully boring and his moveset is a poor copy of Goldberg with a shade of Vader(who is nothing but great even at the age of 58+) and recently some Batista vibes. I think a 13 from 30 indeed hits the nail on the head.

I really would like to see a guy like Sid Justice or a Vader, a real powerhouse or a big guy that can do a moonsault from the top rope with a manager to talk for him in case he can't speak well.

Cena...eh...

The Look: 7. He's got mass and the sheer popularity of said look with kids and women just cant be denied, no matter how much we hate it.

Promo skills: Honestly depends on the promos. His most intense, badass promos/his funniest stuff like his "I'm Fired" promo from 2010, rank around a good 8, where as his worst crap, like his "Sunday" promo before this years Royal Rumble, fall to a flat 2 at best. Id' say a good 6 will balance it out.

Wrestling Skill: 7. Sure as hell not the best, but honestly not the worst. Nobody will call him a great wrestler, but nobody can deny that Cena HAS had great matches in his career, and I don't believe for a second that he was "carried" in all of them. The guy does have a limited moveset, but it IS more varied then the much talked about "5 moves of doom", and he does pull out very surprising moves now and then, such as his top rope legdrop, and his couple recent attempts at a Hurricanrana, which, despite what some people may think, ARE impressive that a guy like Cena would try to pull them off, considering he doesn't have the athletic ability of a young Scott Steiner.

So overall, Id say Cena ranks around 20 overall. Sure as hell not the best, but not as bad as he's made out to be.

Honestly? I'd score Cena higher then I would Jeff Hardy, who's Promo skills are FLAT. Even on those very rare occasions where he IS cutting a good promo, his accent just kills any credibility it has, which isn't his fault, but still.



Rybacks offense looks best when he can "ragdoll" somebody, and the only person in WWE that can really Ragdoll these days is Dolph Ziggler, with Evan Bourne almost, though not quite, as good at it.

I do agree though, that it would be nice to see another Vader type. Big guy, talking manager, Athletic enough to do moonsaults and stuff. Last guy I saw able to pull that off was Lance Hoyt in TNA around 2004-2006, but they soon made him stop doing that for a stupid Guitar Hero tag team gimmick, and WWE never let him do any of the stuff that made him so popular to catch their eye in the first place.

Cena:
Look: 6 A man that dresses like a cereal can't get any higher.
Promo: 6 seems ok with that.
In ring: 6 at best, rather 5. As a young Scott Steiner is the measure for the hurricanrana from a big guy, he's largely incompetent at doing it. Then there's the fact that he probably knows that he sucks doing it, but still does it. Powerslam, Spinebuster, this ist stuff he has done and can do rather good. His submissions are simply horrible, as is his selling in enemy submission holds.
A solid 17 for me, even if I think he's boring as fuck.

Hardy:
Look: 8 Hardy has that hipster boy image, an artistic touch and nobody flops better on stage like a fish as Jeff Hardy in that pyro entrance where Matt sabotaged him^^
Promo: 3 I like inner monologue and "my nuts hurt" Hardy, but it's certainly not his best quality.
In Ring: 7 Surely no Bret Hart or ring general like HHH, but very good with spots and exciting matches
Summarized to an 18, although I think Hardy is much more entertaining than Cena but numbers don't lie.

What do you think about Orton and Cesaro, probably my current favorite wrestlers?
Orton:
Look: 9 Pretty much what Vince is looking for in a wrestler.
Promo: 4 "My name is Randy Orton". Okay...
In Ring: 8 I'd rate only Cesaro and D-Bryan higher(yes, Punk is a rather sloppy performer and not in the league of either Orton, Bryan or Cesaro in ring wise)
A fan biased 21 from me^^

Cesaro:
Look: 6 A Cena type of wrestler based on pure looks.
Promo: 5 Nothing to write home about, but better than Orton.
In Ring: 9 Given some time, this could easily be a 10
A fan biased 20

I am disregarding your promo score on Jeff Hardy simply because you said you liked his Inner Monologue promos. Those were stupid as all fuck and TNA should fire whatever crack pot came up with such idea's, assuming Hardy didn't dream up something that stupid by himself. I'd honestly give Jeff a 0 for Promo's, leaving him 14. Don't tell Tiefblau though, or he will lynch me.


Orton I kinda agree with, though I think he's ranked a point or two too high on promos.

His problem in the ring is the same one John Morrison had, in that, on PPV, he will give you his all. On Raw/Smackdown? Lazy as all fuck.


Also, for being "a rather sloppy performer" Punk was one half of the best matches at Wrestlemania this year and last year, on cards that actually had good matches on them, as opposed to his Match of the Night at Wrestlemania 27, where he and Orton had a great match, but it was also like, the ONLY good match of the night.


I agree with Cesaro though. a 20 suits him.

[quote="TaiKamiya":3rg4pokg]I am disregarding your promo score on Jeff Hardy simply because you said you liked his Inner Monologue promos. Those were stupid as all fuck and TNA should fire whatever crack pot came up with such idea's, assuming Hardy didn't dream up something that stupid by himself. I'd honestly give Jeff a 0 for Promo's, leaving him 14. Don't tell Tiefblau though, or he will lynch me.

Also, for being "a rather sloppy performer" Punk was one half of the best matches at Wrestlemania this year and last year, on cards that actually had good matches on them, as opposed to his Match of the Night at Wrestlemania 27, where he and Orton had a great match, but it was also like, the ONLY good match of the night.