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Ryback is....really bad, but I will admit that I usually end up laughing in his matches, due to how easily he tosses people about XD. I like Lord Trainbert better. I thought they had somewhere to go with Tensai losing on a story or character way, but I guess he will just job to the stars and beat the young dudes. Still, has matches with Sheamus have been good, his match with Cena was good, and that revamped Baldo Bomb of his looks way better then the old one.
These new comments about Cena....these I agree with. He is just like RVD (And Kitten was right on the ball about that) in that, unless its a giant Rock vs Cena match, he usually cannot stay serious during a fued. He has to start cracking his jokes and being all kid friendly and then you lose the idea that its a big match. There is three Cena promo styles. Average Cena, who is kid friendly and bland. "Having some fun out there" Cena, which is where all his funniest promos come from, like the Star Wars promo after No Way Out, and "Serious" Cena, who is rarely seen but is ALWAYS good when he comes out. Unlike RVD, who just goes "Meh" at EVERY SINGLE SITUATION.
But yeah, Ive noticed Cena is a hypocrite. Like after Punk lost the belt to Del Rio at Summerslam cause Del Rio used the MITB to cash in, Cena claimed that Del Rio couldn't win on his own and couldn't "win like a man", which is why Cena wanted the shot. That night, Cena vs Punk, no. 1 contender match, and Cena wins because Nash interferes and attacks Punk. So its bad for Del Rio to be sneaky and win that way, but it's totally cool for Cena to win an important match with outside help and never bring it up? I would say that Cena has lost to Rock, Johnny Ace, and Tensai, but only Rock was Clean, and out of 110 matches this year, he has won about 103 of them.
WWE is trying to build new main eventers, but the issue is that it takes time. Especially in todays WWE where fans dont remember anything from the week before. They are trying to literally squeeze the last few possible drops of blood out of the stone before they have to discard it. The problem is that the new guys aren't being treated seriously by their company. Zack Ryder kicked ass and worked his way to his level....then was given a horrible "injury", couldn't work, and they gave his spotlight to Santino....who, while funny, can't work his way out of a paper bag.
Sin Cara Negro is actually a better wrestler then Sin Cara himself. XD. But yeah, WWE wanted to rehash the "Mexi-cools" gimmick it seems. Stereotypes.
Genesis sucked, despite lasting all of 1 week.
Swagger DOES have talent, but again, all he does is make people think of Angle. Plus the guy cannot get any crowd reaction whatsoever. His cashing in against Jericho, who people hated at the time, was so mediocre that it was funny. And it shows the point, whenever a new star wins the world title, people don't take them seriously and don't react. It's occured with Miz, Del Rio, Swagger, Ziggler, for those 20 minutes, and others in the past. Daniel Bryan has made real headway, thanks to being crazy awesome and "YES!", but Sheamus is the only new guy, (and yes he is a new guy, its only been 3 years), that has really managed to connect with the crowd since his face turn and, despite the backlash against him from Mania, has elected huge responses from the crowd and puts on good matches as well. His 2/3 falls match with Daniel Bryan from Extreme Rules for example, was one of the best matches of the night.
Kitten, your wrong about Harrier being wrong about everything, he has good points. He just needed someone able to debate him so he can prove and further explain his points, which is the point of debating. You are right on the money with RVD though, the guy has been doing the same "Im stoned" gimmick for years and his big flaw that keeps him out of the main event is that he cannot sell a storyline to save his life. He honestly just does not give a single shit about what he is doing or whats going on as long as he gets paid. Combine that with his refusal to job...seriously, how often does he actually lose, ESPECIALLY in high profile feuds? I only can think of his losses to Orton when he left WWE, and his lost to Jeff Hardy at Bound for Glory 2010. The guy never wants to go out on his back, and, when he won the belt, he even stated he wouldn't lose it to anyone who wasn't around in the Attitude era....that is really great RVD...way to be team player. RVD, and Flair, are the reasons AJ Styles career was sent back a year.
And for your comment on Cena, HE HAS IMPROVED. Seriously, his match against Punk at MITB 2011 was Match of the Year for a reason, and after over 10 years in the company, you cannot just write it off as Punk carrying him the whole match. Cena has earned respect, and honestly deserves it.
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The only person that has outdrawn Cena is merch in recent years was Jeff Hardy. Before he got for what was, depending on your view, an unfair arrest for a one time mistake, or a deserved arrest for letting his issues get too far and getting off really easy for it in the end.
Since then, The only other person that could come close to Cena's sales is Orton or Punk. Considering Cena sells everything from shirts to pants to condoms, and they mainly sell shirts, I find it hard to imagine either of them managing to top his sales.
As for drawing ratings, lets see how high a show without Cena does on ratings. Smackdown hasn't topped Raw's ratings in years, if they ever did, and TLC 2011, the one PPV last year with no Cena on it, didn't exactly sell like gangbusters.
....What the hell are gangbusters anyway? Has anyone actually sold one? Were they popular back in the before time? the long long ago?
Also, why don't wrestlers where different color outfits anymore like they used to? 2003, Triple H had blue, green, red, black, and I think at one point a white pair of trunks to where to the ring, wrestlers also used to where some sort of special outfit or color to the ring at Wrestlemania, to symbolize how important it was and all that. Now everybody just wheres the smae generic colors all the time and nobody pops or stands out at all. Except Ziggles, and thats cause he has blond hair.
and One Mooooore Thing! (Jackie chan adventures represent yo!) Can we get Heath Slater a manager? His voice is horrifying.
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Pro wrestling, the fake kind, has been fake since before the 1930s. The 1930s is just when it finally became hugely popular. for more then 30 years before then, Pro Wrestling (again, the fake kind, not the real greco roman kind that you only see in the Olympics and jr. high to high school kids do.....which is pretty fucked up when you think about it.) was a large staple of traveling carnival shows. Bare Knuckle boxing was illegal, but people ate it up when they saw it, so carnival workers started hosting their warped version of greco roman wrestling, with more slams then actual rolling and such, and would travel around the country using it as part of the show. It was scripted because otherwise, you risk injuring one or both your workers and then you lose a big attraction, keep in mind, this is when traveling carnivals and circuses didn't exactly make much coin. Eventually it got bigger and bigger, especially when TV started getting widespread and tv stations had to show something on the air, Wrestling was a popular choice for tv stations because it was cheaper to film and light then other sports and shows and drew a good number of watchers. A fair amount of the "inside language" of wrestling, which is most likely worthless now since everyone has known "the big secret" since 1985, originated with Carny Speak. The former WWE wrestler "Kizarny"'s whole gimmick was a tribute of sorts to those old days. Though he only lasted 3 weeks. Overall point, Pro wrestling has had a very long history and it has always been fake. If there was a time when Pro wrestling was real, none of us, nor our fathers, were around for it. Maybe our grandparents.....maybe. Still, no reason to let that ruin your enjoyment of watching it. I still watch and enjoy the shows today. Of course, Im in the minority, especially around here. Funny how a wrestling themed forum has so many people that are not interested, or outright dislike/hate pro wrestling, despite doing it in every post they do here. Unless they only post in the highly ill decided and really stupid Touhou forum.
It's rare to find someone who knows about the old stuff like this!
Like wrestling, I'm also a very big fan of the history of boxing.
I can still watch pro wrestling, but I tend to be critical of what I see on mainstream shows in America. Indy feds, Japan, Mexico, that's a different story.
And the people who don't like the pro wrestling aspect of AFW are here for the boobs and ass.
As for RVD...I honestly thought he got boring way back in 2000. Every match he had with Jerry Lynn had good athleticism, but it was just the same shit.
[quote="TaiKamiya":vmugchzq]and One Mooooore Thing! (Jackie chan adventures represent yo!) Can we get Heath Slater a manager? His voice is horrifying.
Don't pick on him too badly. He's from West Virginia, he can't help where he was born and raised haha. He can get another crossface chickenwing for all I care, too. Speaking of that. Bob Backlund should seriously be a general manager! Seriously!
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